Travel has been a passion of yours since forever it seems. How has it influenced you personally and professionally?
I took my first international trip in 1985 when I was 16, without my parents, and I've been hooked on that feeling since then. I remember so vividly a moment on the ferry between Italy and Greece thinking that nobody knew where I was, and I never felt more alive and free. I've basically been seeking that feeling every day since! For my first jobs I did a lot of production—even just working on flights for other people was exciting to me.
What inspired you to create the YOLO Journal? Was it a strictly personal endeavour or was it also an initiative informed by the current media landscape and print publishing in particular?
There's a lot to answer here! First of all, I have been a magazine lover my whole life, and one of the hardest parts of working within legacy publishing in recent years has been figuring out how to keep the beauty going with the advertising pages becoming more unattractive. One positive side of the print publishing fallout is that limited budgets meant that we did the previously unthinkable—sometimes we had some photographers actually write the stories, while some writers take the photographs.
In addition to learning about how to be scrappy in the last couple of years at Condé Nast Traveler, I had seen a lot of waste that I knew could be "recycled": over the two decades I worked in this industry I assigned countless stories, and each time, the photographer would turn in probably 100-200 very strong images, and we would actually run only 10-20. I knew there was an abundance of beautiful assets out there that hadn't been seen (or even if they had, they weren't seen in this context), and a lot of enthusiastic creatives out there who didn't really have a print platform anymore.
Furthermore, since most magazines would never let the photographer actually be the writer, this was a new opportunity for them. At YOLO, I also want this to be their journal—I don't put my stamp on their story, my only stamp is curating them into the magazine.
Unfortunately today's media landscape is so broken—it’s so numbers focused, and not customer focused. I want to provide something that makes my readers emotional, that connects on a deeper level that results from really letting the contributors' voices come out.
Your experience as a travel editor is obviously the driving force behind YOLO. How has your career at esteemed titles such as Condé Nast Traveler influenced the Journal’s content and design?
I actually started at Condé Nast Traveler in the 90s as a junior photo editor, which meant I handled all the production on the features (my favourite photographer to work with was Helmut Newton!), and I met with all the photographers who came to our offices (who didn't already have a relationship with the magazine) to show their portfolios. I didn't ever study photography or design, so I always felt a little insecure talking about their images, besides telling them "this is great". So I started just asking them about the content in their images—the food, the hotel, the restaurants, the locations—and I found that these photographers often spoke about the places they documented in a much more passionate way than the editors ever did in our editorial meetings. I also thought it was weird that we would write about places that hadn't opened yet.
After Traveler I was at W Magazine, and met many stylists and fashion photographers who I thought had far better taste and recommendations than many of the travel writers I had worked with. Many years later I ended up back at Traveler as creative director, which was a dream. Although we got to do many of the things I'd always wanted to do, it was never exactly as I wanted. So when I left Traveler, I decided that I just had to try to create the travel magazine I'd always wanted. I didn't want the design to compete with the images, but to compliment it. I also didn't want the pages to over-deliver on information, because I assumed the reader would have a phone nearby should they want to track down intel.
Each issue brings together an eclectic group of writers, photographers and other creatives. How is the team assembled?
For me, putting together the magazine is a bit like creating a fun dinner party. It's most important to have a great mix of images—vintage, illustration, fine art photography, iPhone pictures—and the same goes for the words. Some stories just need an intro and no copy beyond that, and some need explanation. Since so many of my friends and colleagues know I'm a story collector, they send people my way; I also meet people from Instagram, and then I also have a lot of great contacts from my many years as a photo editor, travel editor, and creative director.
How long does it take to create an issue from conception to publication? What are the challenges?
I'm always collecting different travel stories and images, and writing ideas down in my notebook for all the upcoming issues. But like most people, I work best under extreme pressure, so I probably put it together in a month. I'd say the biggest challenge is dealing with all the minutiae—I don't have any help right now—so I'm literally making PDFs to send out to all the contributors, and then I'm also working on all the distribution.
How difficult is to curate the Journal’s content considering the infinite destinations, local variations and overlooked beauties that every country has up its sleeve? What are your criteria?
I have no methodology for how I create it—it is pretty much all about gut and timing. I am always talking to people about their travels, and if the imagery is strong along with their personal connection to it, I earmark it for an issue. Once I start looking at everything together, I start to make a line-up based on the mix of geography and photography. I was at Pitti [in Milan] in January and met a street style photographer named Milad Abedi. He told me about how he and his father had gone on a road trip in Iran, and even though we were way past the deadline, and this guy wasn't a travel photographer or writer, I just had the feeling I needed to push something out to get his story in—even without seeing the pictures.
The Journal is in part a reaction to our digital reality where our computer and smartphone screens have replaced print media. What is the significance of the printed page for you?
I have always had an issue with there being too much information on the printed page—well at least since there were websites for everything you would ever want to look up. I also felt like there was too much travel writing which, while beautiful, was never about the details I actually wanted. Further, these pieces were written by excellent writers, but not exactly with taste. We all know there are certain people we trust that "get" what we are into. This is why Instagram is so great—we are able to find people that inspire us and we can "follow" them wherever they go. But those are tiny squares, and while I love the information I get from Instagram, it doesn't make me dream in the same way a double page spread of a beautiful image does.
How has social media and our ever expanding digital capabilities changed the way we travel? Is the overall effect positive or negative in your opinion?
I have mixed feelings about how social and tech have changed how we travel. I love how people can connect to a place they would never have known about, merely because they follow someone who posted about it. I like how it has taken the power away from the legacy publishers who used to be the only source for travel information—and all too often pushed the hospitality brands with big budgets for public relations. And I like how I see more people seeking out more off-the-beaten-path locations so they can be the first to share it. What I don't like is that we (and I'm very much including myself in this) have our heads buried in our phones way too much. We need to remember that sharing everything in the moment isn't actually living in the moment.
The latest YOLO issue is focused on Greece, a country you are particularly fond of and have spent a lot of time in. What are the things that drew you to Greece apart from the picture-perfect holiday destinations that most people associate the country with?
As a teenager who grew up in a very strict religious household, Greece was my fantasy. So much of this started with seeing Summer Lovers, and hearing about this magical place called Mykonos. This was the 80s, and I was 16, so it was definitely a very particular moment, and certainly very cliché as to why I was drawn to the country. But then I went on a cultural immersion program on the quiet island of Kalymnos. It was the first time I'd ever been asked to actually look at a culture, and it happened to be Greece—and I fell deeply in love with the people, the literature, the poetry, the dance, the music, the history.
How has the unfolding health crisis affected you? Staying put must have been/is very strange considering you’re usually constantly traveling.
Once I got past the initial disappointment of cancelled trips, I started to really enjoy staying in one place. I had the time to look back through my journals, my iPhone images and my boxes of ephemera and souvenirs from years of travel. Since in my previous life I was always rushing from one trip to the next, this was the first time in ages that I was able to reflect on so many great moments. Usually a dive into a certain trip which inspires a drink theme for a night (Bar Basso’s Negroni Sbagliato), or a Sunday lunch feast (with a Greece theme.)
What is the first place you plan to travel to when all this blows over?
I will go to whatever country in the EU will have me first! Ideally Greece, with Italy a close second, and France coming in third!